Turntable advice

Discussion in 'Vinyl Nutjob World: Turntable and Related Gear' started by Falcor, Oct 10, 2015.

  1. murphythecat

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    The denon dl-103R is just ridiculously good for the money, but the trick is to have a arm heavy enough for it to work. The sl-1200 arm happen to be heavy enough, and its also a killer table in its own right. then, only thing left is to have a phono with enough gain to work with the 103R which is a Low MC. when all the 103r requirement are achieved, you are in high-end analog world. Any complaints for the 103R will be by a unsuitable arm ad/or weak phono having not enough gain/ poor loading. Then, mod the sl-1200 PSU, add weight to its base (at least 10 lbs) and build a isolation platform for it. DONE all this well under 1000$
     
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    While we're talking Denon...

    Any opinions on the Denon DD tables - DP 1200, 2500 etc.? These can often be found pretty cheap without arms, and even with arms, way cheaper than a complete Technics 1200.

    And presumably the Denon arms would work well with the DL carts? On a quick scan of vinylengine I don't see effective mass...
     
  3. brencho

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    I've heard good things about them but don't know about specific models or how much spread in quality across models
     
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    I’ve owned 2M Red, Blue and Bronze and MP-110 and MP-200.
    I love the MP-110 for the sub $150 cart. Least amount of surface noise with a warm full sound. The Red is a little too hot for me.
    Blue was pretty neutral, I like it a lot more than the red. MP-200 is just a more detailed MP-110.
    Bronze was my favorite. Very detailed and balanced. Works super well with my Klipsch speakers.
    Ending using the MP-110 on my old turntable that I use to play old or noisy vinyl. Bronze is on my main setup.
    I’m not great at describing sound.
     
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    I used a Denon 103r on my VPI classic for a while and, while I LOVED the sound, I just couldn’t keep it from having IGD on like 25% of my records (whereas I have none whatsoever on the same records with the Denon 301). I assume it’s because the 3D arm is too light for the 103r.
     
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    Nice. $3k opens a lot of possibilities, so definitely widen the search. A few off the top of my head to consider, which I suspect on the used market can be found in the $3k range.

    1. Roksan Xerxes 20. Probably the one that sticks in my mind the most at around this price. Packs a real punch with no need to go all warmbutt with the cart. There might have been a revision or two over the years and I don't remember details anymore; so you'd want to research.
    2. Clearaudio Performance with DC motor. Heard this one in a system that was running $50k speakers and it was totally legit. I like it better than the Concept Wood model for sure. Really nice TT. Saw one a while ago for just a hair over $3k with arm on USAM.
    3. Acoustic Signature WOW XXL. Really well balanced sound, nicely built. Maybe a tad soft IIRC, so pick cart accordingly and probably not an issue at all.
    4. The Nottingham tables are also really nice. Whenever I've heard these, they've been paired with pretty pricey arms and carts though. But they're good enough tables for that, which says something.
     
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    I think he could almost get into a Hyperspace with that budget. But like you I've actually never heard the table stock with a reasonably priced cart. The one I heard actually had a Verus rim drive installed.
     
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    Do either of those VPIs have easy VTA adjustment (on the fly)? If you like to mix thick and thin vinyl, in your rotation, it might become important...
     
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    It really depends on how picky your stylus is with vta. I would upgrade to a 2M Black but they are much pickier than the Bronze when it comes to VTA. So, I don’t bother with messing with It. I set it for 180 gram (85% of my albums are 180) and leave it. You could also get a very slim mat to raise standard vinyl to the height of a 180 gram. I could be talking blasphemy but I can’t tell the minute difference.
     
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    I greatly appreciate everyone’s advice here and on PMs. After reading through many threads, I picked up on a few common threads. I always try to learn from the trials of others and greatly appreciate @deniall83 posts regarding his struggles.

    I’m thinking of following @luckybaer and going after a Technics SL-1210GR or even waiting for the SL-1200MK7. I think I could get a Nagaoka MP-110 or 150 and be happy with my franken TC750 or Mani.

    As I was looking into more esoteric and OOP tables I could foresee myself investing way more money than I really want to at this point.
     
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    Thank you for sharing the tip and can you share a link how to mod the PSU? I guess that you mean replacing Power Supply Unit to external linear Power supply?
     
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    One option: https://www.kabusa.com/m1200.htm#ps1200gx

    edit: fixed link
     
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    Thank you very much. PS1200GX Power System is quite pricey but I guess that it is worth it. I might do the other mod first before PS upgrade. The wooden plinth on the web looks attractive for sure. Thanks again.
     
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    I think the Technics may be a good choice, but they will definitely sound different from a Classic 1 or a TNT. Idler wheel, belt and direct drives will all sound different. I think, for all the tradeoffs, and depending on what you listen to (classical/jazz or EDM/death Rock) speed stability will rule.

    As an aside, idler wheels on any table not positionally locked in (ie Tnt and a rim drive) without speed monitoring is not worth it. There are ways to get feedback in and get it stabilized, and that gets pricey.
     
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