Uncultured behavior from Asians

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  1. Cellist88

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    Add plastic to that and you have korea lol.
     
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    Oh wait, does anyone remember the Taiwanese guy who thought Westone (based in the USA) had read his name on his ciem order, identified it as a Taiwanese name (something all white people do naturally, I guess?) and were therefore delaying his order causing him to lose face?

    He was completely, bonkers-level enraged.
     
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    To add what others have said, it's hard to wipe out years of colonization and waves of invaders. Portugese, Dutch, Koxinga, Japanese, KMT, etc. Taiwanese propensity for certain fried foods might have come from the Portugese, and later reinforced by the Japanese. Christianity, namely the Presbyterian church came from an Englishman (you can count this as colonization of a sort). The church played an important role in the resistance against the KMT newcomers from the 50s to the 90s and even today is loosely associated with the independence movement. I don't know if it's used anymore, but the word in local vernacular for concrete is red-bush-soil. Came from the Dutch I believe. When I younger, I had strands of red and salt and pepper hear. I knew one Taiwanese guy, who otherwise looked Asian, with blue eyes.

    I do think Japanese influence was particularly strong. There are strong ties between the Japanese and Taiwanese governments today. All of my grandparents were old enough to have been forced to speak Japanese. My grandmother said Japanese rule was harsh, but fair. My dad said they at least they weren't corrupt. The Japanese promoted cleanliness and installed sanitation systems. Japanese government officials actually performed santitation checks on homes. Doing stuff like wiping the top of the doorsill with white gloves. Explains why my grandmother was a clean freak. She was very proud to have received A+ grades from the Japanese officials for cleaniness.

    After WWII, Taiwanese were super happy to have finally been freed from Japanese rule, only to discover the KMT and their troops were dirty, had lice, and did gross shit like poo in the middle of the street. They were also corrupt. Chiang-Kai-Shek was one of the most successful gangsters of them all, just below Francisco Franco. The KMT did snobby shit like mock the local Taiwanese / Hokkein language. Both sides of my family (from the mid / south of Taiwan) were part of the resistance, along with Finn, Rey, etc.

    A lot of people today don't know that martial law (basically meaning the KMT government could do WTF they wanted to and make you mysteriously commit suicide) actually ended in 1986. I remember those times as kid, the secret meetings, and other resistance members asking my dad "hey, who the f**k is that waisheng ren (literally outside of province dude)" which my dad would have to vouch for him: "he's OK, he's not secret police. He was just a poor f**k that Chiang-Kai Shek conscripted in China as a kid 40 years ago". My grandfather on my mother's side was more brazen against the KMT. But he had means, so he didn't worry. He could bribe his way out.

    P.S. This probably adds some context to Westerners who see mainlainder sock puppets accusing pro indepedence Taiwanese of being Japanese symphasizers or half-breed Japanese. The Taiwanese experience of Japanese colonziation was mixed, and with the passage of time, viewed more positively. It's like what my grandmother said, just follow their rules, and you wouldn't get your head cut off by a sword.
     
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    Not Asian, but mandatory in these threads:

    "Oh my, the tone of some of the recent posts/threads seems to have had an effect on myself as a strong believer in the uniqueness and original grandeur of this forum."
     
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    Man, this almost shocked me when I was there. I had to Google it to make sure it wasn't just me. I've been to places where crossing the street is a game of Frogger, but I just didn't expect it from a place where everything else was seemingly so "civilized" to me.

    Do it. The good FAR outweighs the bad. It also makes you appreciate what you have more and gives you insight into what we can do better- blah, blah, blah.

    I've been commuting to LA (Hollywood, WeHo) for the past year or so and was reminded how bad the wealth disparity can be down there, even worse than up here in Silicon Valley- at least by outward appearances. I came across a quote that pretty much sums it all up: "One good thing about living in SoCal: It shows you almost every day how random wealth really is. It’s liberating."
     
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    like brits, hkers tend to be dour and unfriendly until one is properly introduced, having spent half my life in hk, i used to bitch about the frosty nature of kongers... until i went back to canaduh, which, while less extroverted than the US, made me realise how "invasive" strangers making small talk is, and inefficient esp when qeueing up in the supermarket or shops.

    hk is quite paradoxical, the culture is conservative but tolerant in practise (perhaps until recently), same sex couples could openly display pda without drawing confrontations, stranger on stranger violence is still rare and ppl tend to "keep to themselves".

    kongers are also racist as f**k, but in a unilateral way, it is less about superiority/inferiority and more about stereotyping and generalisations.
     
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    It's also about what "just is" without qualifiers. Western first world societies seem to have this incessant need to categorize everything in right or wrong, true or false, racist or not racist, etc. Therefore terms like rando can get totally taken the wrong way. It's like dude, you're a rando, not a Friend. It is what it is. Don't get worked up about it. It's not good. It's not bad; unless you really want it to bad. Can we imagine an equivalent highly contextual term like laowai actually being used in the USA? LOL, the SJW and PC Police would be all over it!
     
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    I still remember the words to a folk song that my grandmother taught me when I was four. It's called tee oh oh. Very silly and pretty much describes this place. Pronounciation and translation are mine. I did a minimalist translation so as to not alter the meaning and feel. May not be accurate.

    tee oh oh, beh loh hoh
    sky black black, gonna rain

    a gong a giah di tao beh guut oh
    granpa grabs the hoe to dig up taro (root)

    guut a guut, guut a guut
    dig a dig, dig a dig

    guut dyo ji beh suan lu goh
    digs up a catfish (some of kind of catfish native to the region)

    yi ah he doh jin gia, tzhoo be
    he ends up (with) seriously/really interesting/fascinating (moment)
    (he goes WTF - curiosity WTF)

    a gong beh tzu giam, a ma beh tzu jia
    granpa wants to cook salty, granma wants to cook plain

    leng eh sho pa, long pua dia, long pua dia
    two of them fight, smash break pan(s), smash break pan(s)

    yi ah he doh long dong chi dong chiang, wa ha ha
    they end up (with) <sound of pots and pans breaking>, wah ha ha
     
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    "Long dong chi dong chiang" should be the subtitle of the How to Win Friends and Influence People Forum
     
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    Marvin Gaye on heavy karaoke rotation then.
     
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    @Marvey Was Googling it out of curiosity...is this the same tune you learned? This seemed to be the least bad recording of it on YT.

     
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    Yeah. That's it! LOL. Granpa and granma look too young. Must be Asian genes. Or they might actually be grandparents - people got married super young back then. There's another Taiwanese folk song which is kind of like Stevie Nick's Edge of Seventeen.
     
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    ching chong ling long ting tong






    Seriously though it was a mess.
     
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    Amazing... How many languages did she master!
     
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    Done. Make sure to say it like how a Klingon would. Hokkien pronounciation is very different from Mandarin. Like a softer and faster Klingonese. No pauses (like in ST: Discovery).
     
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    A couple of classic films about life during the KMT rule are A City of Sadness (takes place during the transition from Japanese to KMT rule in the late 40's) and A Brighter Summer Day (takes place in the 60's). Both are worth seeing even if one has no interest in Taiwanese history.
     
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    I saw reported that an equivalent of a Vegas massacre in homicides caused by firearms occurs every three days in the US (much of it I assume due to domestic violence).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
     
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    Just ban guns for people under the age of 35.
     
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    Most gun violence in the US is not of the random Vegas type. There's not much chance you're going to "get mowed down by gunfire just walking out our door" unless you're involved in a gang or other criminal activity. The large majority of gun violence happens between criminals. If you're living in a decent neighborhood and not involved in crime then the chances of you being a victim of gun violence are miniscule.
     

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