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Discussion in 'Photography and Cameras' started by Bill-P, Oct 15, 2015.

  1. Deep Funk

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    I considered the RX100-series but those cameras lack grip for me. You have the full-frame goodness.

    Panasonic or Olympus unless Fujifilm makes a better XF10. When you have big hands you need something with enough grip. I looked at the Ricoh GR2 and GR3, I am not sure about 28mm.
     
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    I can't ever go back. From 35mm, to crop DSLR to crop mirrorless... I'm going full frame mirrorless for my next upgrade.

    Small sensor mirrorless is almost cheaper to get into. I got an EOS M5 @ EOL for ~$480, along with the 32mm f/1.4, 11-22mm f/4.5-f/5.6, and the 55-200mm f/4.5-f/6.3 m-series lenses. All in all that kit was ~$1500 and covers a good range. The sensor is great and the AF works very well. Not the best action setup but for everything else it's a convenient little setup. I stuff the whole kit in a little Domke f-5xb. General usage is just above and beyond the DSLR experience imo. It's a capable little camera! And looking around, to get a DSLR setup of comparable performance at that time would've cost nearly twice as much.

    Too bad they ditched all of that for the R stuff with expensive, exotic glass and GIANT crop bodies. That was a bummer. Woulda liked to see them make more FAST compact lenses and get the M bodies up to snuff... like some real high-end ones. I will say... the 32mm is a fantastic lens.

    In this day and age I'd probably be looking at a Sony FF for an endgame setup. Now that I'm used to the smaller form factor and perks of mirroless I can't see myself going back to big ole DSLR's.
     
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    The Panasonic LX100 ticks many boxes for me. Even the LX100 i would be a good stealthy everyday camera. I almost considered the Fujifilm X100 mark i, ii or iii but the Fujifilm X-E...series might offer more benefits.



    P.S. I am not wealthy enough for the Pentax K1. I already thought about that option and switching back to Nikon (D700 or D750) is not worth it for me because lens hunting is a costly activity. Maybe in 2 years I can go full frame and properly use that old K-mount glass.
     
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    I really like 20mm 1.7 on my small Panasonic GF9 (To which I added grip). Difference in focusing between midrange Olympus bodies and Panasonic are huge with this lens.
     
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    Was actually looking at point-and-shoots when the M5 got discontinued for the not-really-better M50 with the flippy screen... and they ultimately cut the price of the M5 in half, which was crazy... I figured I'd get the full ILC with access to more capable lenses (including L glass,) bigger sensor, all around technical ability. Maybe a little bigger, but not by much, assignable with manual controls for everything. With the 22mm f/2 it'll still pretty compact. The picture makes it look big.
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    Just kinda right place right time. I didn't think I'd be getting another Canon but with the bodies being dirt cheap and having a few decent lenses with good image quality, I had to reconsider. Just the body and the 22 would be ~$750, I was comparing that to P&S's for that money and having a hard time. I was skeptical because it didn't review well, but really the image quality was no different from any other 24mp crops... it was basically a beefed-up 80D sensor with vastly better autofocus. I too like chimping, and thus the touch screen AF control. Everything to do with autofocus modes as well as the point can call be changed without pulling off of the viewfinder. You move the point in the viewfinder with your thumb on the touch screen. Buttons and dials can be assigned for AF and shooting modes. Completely changed how I shoot, being able to slide the point anywhere in the viewfinder.

    I couldn't find anything like that in any P&S/ILC anywhere near the price. I think now, you can probably get there with the performance and functionality, but not a couple of years ago.

    All I wanted was something easy to just grab and use. I got that, plus something I could throw in a bag with a couple of small, light lenses and be able to do everything a midrange DSLR could do. It's not a super-impressive camera but it's all-around solid and compact. It's a strange landscape. Mirrorless eats into compact cameras and full-size ones with its combination of often small size and more enthusiast features.

    At some point I'm going to want something more serious, with faster native lenses. This one takes all of the legacy Canon stuff with an adapter, but that's not saying much... can't be buying expensive, discontinued glass to attach to a pretty standard body. Just kinda one of those oddballs that missed its chance at love till it was almost gone. Leftover chocolates.

    I swear, reviewers helped kill this camera, with the price and lack of hot gimmicks it generally came out lukewarm. Nobody wanted to buy it. A lot of people sensed the M series was going away. Which is sad now because to me the M5 and the actually-awesome 32mm showed it about to hit its stride. They fixed so much about the old models, which really were kinda trash and you might as well have bought a better P&S for the money. And they brought out a legit lens with a lot of use.

    Bleh. Sometimes you gotta pay attention to as many models as you can, because things can change so fast and put you on a different path. I figure in a couple of more years maybe the market will advance enough that some of the last-gen bests become more reasonable. Because now I feel like I can afford to more slowly build-out a good lens kit for something better, while falling back on what I already have. And I can always have the setup I have now for convenience on less-intensive outings.
     
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    That's why all my Nikon hardware had to go. Not even once I missed it, on the contrary to something as simple as Fuji X-T1. It's at service at the moment and I honestly can't wait once it's back.
     
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    Yeah I just woke up to the news. I feel kind of betrayed, like i should have gone with another brand instead.
     
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    That depends. If everything you need is available now, then it might be good for you, prices may drop... but if you were relying on future development, then maybe not so good.

    Does anybody know the investment company? What is its record? I tend to associate these companies with asset-stripping and dumping, but I don't know about Japan or this company.

    On an Indian forum, I wrote, time to take my OM1n out of the cupboard and put it in the puja room and garland it. As in a revered but now dead family member.
     
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    Since I love the look, color science, and user experience, I'm really stuck (in a good way) on the Fujis. I love the rangefinder style, so I've got an XPro3 and X100F.

    My current strategy, I think, is to get the new Sony Xperia 1 (mk) ii: it's got seriously amazing cameras (wide, normal, tele), with dedicated shutter button, and happens to have phone hardware and run Android, along with the "Camera Pro" app. Downside is release pricing (although the "free" Sony earbuds are nice). Obviously it'll go everywhere with me.

    Some day I'll get a Fuji GFX50R. It'll prolly be mark ii by then. But I've always wanted to be able to get that medium format look, and could never afford it back in the film days. Now I don't want the film hassle.
     
  11. Deep Funk

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    The EP-1 really set a standard.

    At least the camera division stays in Japan right now.
     
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    Since you seem to be more of a "Fuji" guy you may be into it but, I tested it along side a Hasselblad X1D around the time they both were released. The Hasselblad performed better for me. I love love the color science of the blad'. Also, it much easier to handle and at the time the Fuji even had glitched out a couple times. I dunno just my experience. We ended buying a X1D.

    As for phone camera's the Pixel and Iphone both have killer cameras. Low Light is amazing for such a small sensor and the video on the iphone is better than some mirror-less and DSLR's.
     
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    Hah, I have a Pixel currently. Computational photography isn't as nice as real, "in-camera" optical photography to me. Although I admit that it'll all go that way to a certain extent. The Sony philosophy, at least for this phone, seems to be to do as much right in-camera (optically) as possible.

    As for low light, yeah I think the Pixel is the winner there. But rarely am I trying to take those pics.

    Not willing to pay Hasselblad prices for the same sensor and better tech in the Fuji medium formats.
     
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    It's kind of crazy how far they've gotten, isn't it? The things they do with these tiny sensors and tiny optics are something else. You know it's real when people start getting scared that smartphones will kill most ILCs.

    I'd probably have no problem using one, on the basis of capability alone. But in actual usage they can pose some difficulties. Namely handling. I still can't stand touch only. Gotta have buttons/dials. Something to hold steady. Viewfinder. Just generally more immediate and wide control over everything going on with the images and how you capture them. Not to mention swapping lenses can drastically change the range of images you can get. A phone with a good lens and sensor, a dedicated camera does not make.

    I think it's great for people to have that window into photography. It's become so niche. But that said, I think if you find you like taking pictures on your phone w/ nice camera, you'll eventually want to move on to the better image quality and overall functional capacity of a 'real' camera. Or so I'd hope. Camera companies have lost the market for those general 'consumer' cameras. Most people will just finance a $1000 phone with their provider, get better results easier, and laugh at the thought of buying a $1000 camera. But some of those people will become enthusiasts because they got that taste of being able to take nice pictures. They will want the mid range cameras at least. I think the real deal will always be a step ahead. Phone cameras now are doing computational approximations of what purpose-built stuff can do without fancy tricks. The hardware capabilities are still not anywhere near parity. The phones just push the dedicated kit above to go up in performance and value. At least for now.

    I can see why vloggers love them though. In terms of mirrorless options for video... at the same price the quality difference isn't that much and lets face it, what you need is good, quick video with reliable AF. All of the entry and even mid level mirrorless setups have one thing or another funky with their video. Always getting all but one or two key things right. Like maybe the AF or AE is always weird. Maybe the IS sucks. Or it just has terrible battery life/firmware. The phone generally always looks good, takes up little space, and tends to just work, even under poor lighting. Not to mention it can turn over for basic editing, uploading... always have backups dumping right to the cloud.
     
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    Right, I struggle with video from my DSLR even tho I own both a LG G8 and One Plus 7T Pro 5G, and I work cell sales and I can speak for home well the iPhones do in particular! Still I picked up some new lighting and a 10-18mm in hopes to get better video in a small room

    I'm not ready to give up and go with an iPhone just yet haha! Tho I'd likely save a lot of time/money doing so... but alas part of the fun of the hobby is the challenge
     
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    Apple can brick your phone. Keep that in mind.

    A DSLR can be reset manually or with the software and you can use it until it falls apart. Put a 35mm F2 on an old Nikon D40 and you can still get so much out of that sensor.

    Convenience is pleasant at first. Thing is you want control over the process. That takes time.
     
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    Yea I work cellular and I'm well aware of how Apple operates, I feel confident enough to be able to circumvent Apple Fuckery if needed but part of my desire to conquer the challenge of DSLR is the complete control as you mention, all my efforts are in the end worth something as I can control all aspects of my DSLR, and yes own the process start to finish. Where as with Apple all it takes is one update and I have to relearn/reconfigure months of "optimizing"

    Still in the end I may wind up with both, an iPhone would be nice to have at shows where so much of the process is out of my control!
     
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  18. YMO

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    Back in this thread, still thinking about getting a good camera once the virus shit relaxes a bit. This time I'm heavily leaning on not doing standard body and glass. The Sony RX series is great but I just wished it fits better on my hands (too smallish for me, but that's the point). Then there's the Fuji X100V that is the new refresh and I like the size of it. However, not too sure if people photography (Fuji color look) that people like about it will be best for my needs. Then again, I could just shut up and do a Sony body/glass and call it a day. If I did that, my OCD on glass will just be terrible :(

    Man I suck at buying things at times.
     
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    What are you shooting? I mean, Fuji RAW plus some luminar presets will take care of any weirdness with regard to color presets.

    I guess it comes down to what you are photographing. What focal length and features are appropriate? I take pictures of my kids so the RX1R II is perfect.
     
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    YMO it's not drinking alone if you're on Zoom

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    Best way to explain is 35% People/Cats and rest are objects (plants, buildings, random things). Not really feeling doing a Zoom Glass, I'm normally stick to one Focal Length and call it a day, so I guess something 35/50 would do the trick? RX1R II out of my price league, but could get lucky on the used one. Also concerned on the smallish body. Thanks on the Fuji info, I normally shoot RAW.
     

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