General Speaker Advice and Recommendations

Discussion in 'Speakers' started by shotgunshane, Mar 7, 2017.

  1. Priidik

    Priidik MOT: Estelon

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    BWC speaker ?

    Slim tower speaker is mostly for aesthetics and space saving = wife acceptance.
    There are some sonic/acoustic benefits (better high-mids and treble dispersion --> better 3D imaging), however these hardly outweigh the missing real bass driver.

    If anything the slim box towers are going out of fashion. People are tired of these.
     
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  2. ogodei

    ogodei Headphone Heaven Gatekeeper

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    The speakers in your image are three-way full-range floor standers.

    Early format speakers like large horns when out of fashion as technology changed / improved. Now speakers go out of fashion when manufacturers realize a market is available for a new speaker profile ( e.g., bar speakers for slim-tv users and apartment dwellers) or that a current market is drying up ( hopefully, bar speakers for slim-tv users and apartment dwellers) or that a current market is drying up) . Media's desire to cover the 'new' also assists by tempting manufacturers to implement unwarranted change to get press space.

    A non answer: Tower speakers are better if you like the design and they work in your room. Tech has changed, you can get good bass from smaller cabinet spaces at a price if the spouse prefers / accepts the look.
     
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    Did you try 4-way speaker setup? One pair is primary, positioned for accurate sound, second pair wide and behind, lower volume, for soundstage? Use separate amps. Should be crazy I suspect...
     
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    If I wanted to horizontally bi-amp an all-balanced chain, is it as easy as getting simple XLR Y-splitters to plug into multiple amps?
     
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    Has anyone heard, owned or have thoughts on owning Magnepan LRS vs 0.7i, 1.7i speakers?

    What other alternatives are there for planar speakers that have more bass extension without adding a sub or going full on with a distributed bass array or the like.

    I see a Magnepan 1.7 (not the newer 1.7i) and 0.7i for under $1000 available locally right now.

    I have fond memories of having the plinius SA-100 mk2 and 1.6QR combo from nearly a decade ago but wasn't quite fully satisfied with the bass extension of quantity of it.

    I don't have an amp to pair with these speakers so am starting from scratch.

    Any other recommendations on which speakers to look for? Room size is about 18 x 14
     
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    Yes, unless your source has unusually high output impedance and the amps have unusually low input impedance.
     
  7. JayC

    JayC Resident Crash Test Dummy

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    I went to a store to check out the Klipsch Forte 3, even though its probably never going to shine in my 4x4m living room. They caught my interest since I've never tried a horn speaker and I've been having the itch to find something new (I also plan to move in the near future to a bigger place) so I figured why not go have a look. Doesn't help that they're discounted by a lot now that the Forte 4 is out haha

    They were placed almost right up to the rear wall and toed in so they were a bit on the bright side but I did end up liking a lot about them. I was blown away by the staging and how they disappeared with the music in the big listening room.. I liked how enjoyable it felt to be a part of the music and on well recorded live tracks you were right there in the front row! Felt a good amount of detail through the midrange as well.
    I was disappointed though with the impact I got from the bass. On slower songs - when strings were plucked, you could feel their weight but when you got into a quicker paced rock/metal song, they didn't have it. Might have been the placement or the amp being used, I don't know.

    Anyone else use these and can weigh in on the bass and space needed for them to work?
     
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  8. crazychile

    crazychile Eastern Iowa's Spiciest Pepper

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    I haven’t heard the 1.7 but isn’t it physically close in size to the older 1.6? If so I wouldn’t expect a significant change in bass.

    Among other Maggies, I used to own a pair of MG10s which were intended to be used with a sub. I tried various Yamaha and Velodyne subs with them back in the day and they were very enjoyable but weren’t totally convincing that a sub wasn’t being used. However, I’m wondering since sub tech has come a ways since then if a Rythmik and LRSs might be worth a listen.
     
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    I've used a Magnepan 1.6QR since 2013. Maggies don't do bass extension, so you're barking up the wrong tree. If you want more bass extension with planars, you get a bigger planar, or you go with a hybrid design like Eminent Technology LFT-8b (similar to what electrostat speaker designers do).

    I will say that I noticed an upgrade in extension when using massive copper speaker cables (Cardas Golden Reference, which I've now sold) and when upgrading an amplifier to one that can push a crapton of current (Coda amp in my case). You're still not getting much measured response below 40 Hz, but it can subjectively feel a little lower / more weighty.

    Of your three listed options, I'd go with the biggest Magnepan you can fit in the space within budget and then try to optimize your speaker placement and listening position to reduce impact of bass nulls. I've also read good things about using GR Research dipole subwoofers or Rhythmik F12G (that use GR Research woofers and a servo amp) when paired with Maggies. Check out the Magnepan User Group on Facebook.
     
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    Yeah am giving up on magnepans

    I extracted as much as I could out of the 1.6qr. Tried out Krell and ML amps. Eventually settling on the plinius sa100mk3 I had was a class A pushing 100watts and weighed 80lbs. The speaker cables that worked for me were the Crimson AUdio from AustinHifi.


    The logical step would be the 5.7 or the Carver hybrid (no longer in production) or build your own.

    But since posting this, i've been pointed to the open baffle route for my long term build, a PAPTrio clone. Plan to use SB Audience 15OB350W woofers in place of the EMience Neos. Unless i get a hook up on the Neo woofers.

    I've got the 4x10 HD miniDSP for the interim to go active while i sort out the crossover before making a passive one (long term again).

    Have a Pass DIY M2X build @dBel84 roped me into for starters and somehow also talked myself into a future project of PAss dual mono F5v3Turbo build (to PASS time this next winter) for which i picked up 50lbs of heatsink for today. :drunk:
     
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    I couldn't see an General amp advice thread, but I was curious if anyone has had ears on the Rotel Michi stuff. Rotel has an interesting history as a company, and I really dig its understated looks. I have no idea if there is a house sound that runs through all their stuff or not. Thanks for any thoughts if you have them in advance :)
     

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