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Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by sphinxvc, Dec 29, 2015.

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  1. Zhanming057

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    Just saw the film, and I think that there's a fine line between humanity and sympathy and the film treads it very, very carefully. Take someone like Hitler (yeah, going for the Godwin), he's a monster and nobody should ever, ever sympathize with him. But then there's the popular cartoonish caricature of him because people don't want to think of the idea that he's also a human being. And ultimately I think that we learn less from the tragedy that is WWII because of it.

    The Joker isn't quite there, but I don't think that the director ever intended for the audience to sympathize with Fleck. He's an utterly unenviable but nonetheless very human character. Even the comic books have taken stabs at the idea - the Killing Joke had the flashback (the truth of which is left to the reader) which IMO is actually a sympathetic characterization of the Joker. The film is a similar study and as I see it, a very well executed one. Saying that "he's an incel" is a surface-deep description of a deeper character.

    It's a depressing and tense film. A 7.5/10 for me maybe, almost a bit too heavy for one sitting.
     
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    Lyander Too sensitive for SBAF

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    @Zhanming057 while I agree with the gist of your message that's not a name to invoke lightly. I have less care than others talking about it because it's so far removed from me, and actually have had forthright conversations related to matters surrounding that individual (with close friends who ask for and appreciate candor), but the fact remains that the name is still to this day used as a byword for inhumanity.

    Godwin can go eat dick, but again, I see the film the same way you do.

    Definitely. It doesn't let up much and when it does try to force a laugh out of you, you hate yourself immediately afterwards.
     
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    I will watch Joker as soon as I can. I have high expectations for this film.
     
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    Looks interesting. I've added that to my list. A quick look at the synopsis kind of reminds me of a movie from 2017 called Shot Caller. Gets mixed reviews but I really enjoyed it.

    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/shot_caller
     
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    Don't let the synopsis fool you. It's unlike any film I've seen.
     
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    Brawl in Cell Block 99 was great, watched it with some friends. Was slow starting but picked up and we were so pumped. Vince Vaughn really showed off that he can do more than just comedies and that he is a real tall guy.
     
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    Watched "Joker" in the cinema last night.

    Joaquin Phoenix gave the human inside the Joker a face. He is one of those actors who can make me cringe and I still keep my eyes on the screen. Arthur Fleck is an awkward person, the story is often awkward and when you finally understand why it all makes sense.

    I really liked the film. Makes you like the villain more.
     
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    BREAKING BAD:
    EL CAMINO REVIEW
    (sort of)

    To get the obvious out of the way, I'm a huge BB fan. I think it's the greatest television show ever made (sorry The Wire/Sopranos/Mad Men) mostly because it has a virtually perfect track record. There is no filler, no bad episodes, no pointless digressions (and even the episode FLY, while flirting with degression, ends up being instrumental in understanding Walter White). The characters are perfectly cast and in some cases, reaching all time great performance level (Bryan Cranston). And its narrative ride is riveting from start to finish with oodles of subtext and social commentary. It is rhe perfect show IMO.

    El Camino, while keeping in line with the rest of the series, has an interesting problem which stems from a question that's been on my mind for some time now.

    What is a movie?

    Since the inception of Netflix and other online streaming giants and the proliferation of content on demand options, the lines between movies and TV and just plain ol' "content" (YouTube skits, etc) has become murky. Will Smith hangs out with and makes short videos with YouTube stars now. Hell, YouTube stars are even a thing now! Movie stars like Smith and others have their own youtube content/channels now. A Netflix movie won top prizes at the most recent Oscars.

    Why didn't Vince Gilligan just conclude Jesse Pinkman's story at the end of season 5? Why a movie? Watching El Camino felt very weird because people have different expectations watching a movie than they do watching television. Movie's are, or were, more of an event. They were bigger, bolder, louder, and to be taken more seriously. They used to be the center of the cultural conversation, but TV has recently taken that mantle with people talking more about the latest show you've never heard of than they do the latest movie.

    Watching El Camino felt weird because it was this weird hybrid between the show and a cinematic experience. The film itself is very good. While it doesn't reach the dramatic heights of the show, it does a perfectly good job wrapping up this universe and Pinkman's personal journey. It has some clever twists and turns and manages to be funny and sometimes heartbreaking. And Aaron Paul is very good in it. But still, something just felt missing. It wasn't a show and it wasn't quite a Movie with a capital "M" either.

    El Camino kind of hammers home for me the era we now live in and one that I've been hesitant to accept. An era of "content". El Camino isn't a show and it isn't a movie... it's just content. To be consumed, digested quickly and nearly forgotten, as most mere content is for me. It's a blurring of the lines between two warring factions that have been in battle since the 1950s.

    Still, it's a high recommend from me, more for completionist sake than it being a great movie. BB fans will likely be satisfied
     
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    I agree with you on El Camino,I wasn't as thrilled with it compared to the BB show
    which I only binge watched recently.
     
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    I did not see where Anne Hathaway's "Colossal" was commented on in this thread. It's on Hulu and since I am nursing my sick wife I got to watch it last night. I thought of @ColtMrFire comments about the difference between "movie" and "content" because no matter what you think of concept of this movie, it is a movie. I hate open ended, non-story (no real beginning, build, climax, end, "moral") "content", which is why I dislike most TV. Is Colossal a monster movie? Is it a psycho-drama, almost horror? Is it comedy, with some romance thrown in? Like the reviews say it is all that and more. The uniqueness of the concept forces some strange and forced writing/lines at times, but Anne and her co-stars pull it off in the end I think, much better than you think they will 1/3 or 1/2 through.

    This movie is a throwback to when movies were movies and not billion dollar franchise vehicles or corp checkbox filler, or "content". It reminded me of how I used to like going to the movies even if the movie/writing/actors were not the greatest, or flawed (they are all flawed), etc. Two thumbs up.
     
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    I watched El Camino over the weekend. I liked it, just as I would probably like any character spinoff from BB to some degree. But I wasn't thrilled or blown away by it. If someone were to watch it without seeing the series I don't think it could really stand on it's own. It reminded me of when you watch the extra lost scenes from a movie where you get to see all the stuff that didn't make it into the original release. El Camino was largely made up of this kind of material with a lot of flashback/flash forward stuff. But it was probably better to put this into a movie rather than trying to do another spinoff series like Better Call Saul. There probably wasn't enough content to do a new series right.

    I also couldn't help but notice how so many characters had gained weight and were noticeably aged. That made it weird when doing flashbacks that were intended to have happened during the same timeline as the series.

    But I've also started watching the series again. This is the fourth time. This time my wife is watching it with me. She knows the general story and outcome, but had originally only watched maybe a half dozen episodes scattered among all seasons.
     
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