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Discussion in 'Computer Audiophile: Software, Configs, Tools' started by AllanMarcus, Jul 3, 2016.

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  1. neogeosnk

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    Yup, just buy a nuc and install the OS yourself. It's super easy and my Nuc is equivalent to the $2500 model for about $600 (same specs).
     
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    Why use a NUC vs. your regular desktop running Roon, which talks to a streamer (DigiOne Sig like I have, for example)?
     
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    Roon is p. damn heavy on cpu ram and io, if you have a large library and use things like room correction plugin it can eat up a whole i7 nuc like it's candy.

    An i5 is enough for most people so long as it's the only thing running on it.

    So, running it on your pc comes with compromises depending on how you use it and the size of your library.
     
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    Fine print: Nucleus is fanless, garden-variety NUC has a fan. I run my Roon core on a fanless pre-assembled NUC-based from QuietPC (the one in the UK; the US QuietPC does not supply this): https://www.quietpc.com/sys-ultranuc-pro-7-fanless (Akasa Newton S7D Fanless NUC Chassis, NUC Core i5-7300U, NUC7I5DNHE, Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR4 SODIMM, WD Green 120GB M.2 SATA SSD), cost ~$750 shipped from the UK to the US. I run Ubuntu Server 18.10 and install Roon Core on top, but it should be possible to run Roon's pre-packaged ROCK distro instead on this hardware.
     
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    Roon runs perfectly fine on an old 2nd gen i5 with a 1.25 TB library at about 12% CPU utilization, when nothing else is going on. This is without any upsampling nonsense, but with some eq. As far as a fan goes, I don't care, my listening position is nowhere near the core computer.

    And I do think it is a bit odd since Roon from day one has been touting the preference of running the core on a computer separate from the device that may be acting as the transport to a dac. And using a PC as an all in one for both functions, for example, just seems to go against their own advice for several years now.
     
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    It can eat up my i7 nuc for hours when I add a bunch of music.

    Its in the hallway so I don't care but it's definitely working it hard.

    YMMV.
     
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    How much music are you adding? I am not sure how long my music took to index but it did not seem like hours. Who knows maybe it was, but I was doing other stuff on the computer at that time and performance of web browsing did not seem to suffer. It should not be a concern if you add your library once and then occasionally add a few more cds, right?
     
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    When I added my library from scratch again I opted to use all the cores I had (i7). But now I have it down to 1 or 2, but no EQ or room correction thus far. I guess that makes me a low-end users but I do listen to music on the stereo while photo editing typically without any bogging down. 32GB of ram though and SSD might help :)
     
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    @Bloom You’ve had a few responses that I generally agree with. I also have an i3 NUC with Roon ROCK with 8GB RAM and 128 GB SSD installed, which I paid about $200 for used. Although I have also never heard the Nucleus (so I do reserve a final judgement on it), the prices do seem kinda crazy considering the alternatives. Dealer markup is almost certainly a thing here.

    Purportedly, the USB output from the Nucleus is very good. However, if you’re planning to go direct from the Nucleus USB into a DAC, I suspect a good endpoint or quality USB cleaner/converter in front of your DAC could achieve the same (or maybe even better) for less. Plus, you still need to add storage to it.

    I know you’re looking for someone with hands on experience, but I am curious though the reason behind your inquiry...could you elaborate on what kind of insight you’re looking for? Are you asking purely with sound quality intentions?

    The NUC for me was mainly so I could use it like an appliance, run it all the time, and basically never have to think about it. Roon ROCK boots from cold on my i3 NUC and is detected by Roon Remote in about 15 seconds. But I basically never turn it off because I think it only consumes like 10-15 watts at idle. Also, installing ROCK was more like peace of mind than anything else, since ROCK only runs the stuff you need, and nothing else. On my Nuc I have no mouse, no monitor, no wifi, no drivers for X and Y, no processes other than what it needs for running Roon. Just a power cord and an Ethernet cable, that’s it.
     
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    Before I get the roon trial I wonder if a setup and use case like this is possible:

    Windows 10 -> roon -> WASAPI -> Dirac or Sonarworks -> USB -> DAC

    And then using an android smartphone / tablet as a remote control for that PC via WLAN. I don't need the multi room feature.

    Currently I use Foobar2000 this way, but roon looks interesting. I tried to find information on this, but the info is too confusing for me.
     
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    I don't think so. Roon includes its own transport layer (RAAT) to deliver better performance, so I don't think it will work over WASAPI. That being said, you can drive Roon with an Android smartphone / tablet, and it does have a DSP engine in it, so perhaps you could use Windows 10 -> Roon -> USB -> DAC.
     
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    Nah, if your endpoint is Windows you can output to wasapi or even system mixer.

    But try before you buy because it's touchy about buffer lengths and such, so it might not work consistently.

    The good thing about using its internal dsp is it runs core-side, which allows you run full room correction and PEQ on a relatively thin client like an rpi that might otherwise struggle.
     
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    Using Roon's DSP is a good idea. I have a friend who uses it to great effect on his speaker setup. I have not tried it yet but will.

    @econaut As for setups. Roon all in one device is not the best avenue for sound quality.

    Rules for best sound quality
    https://kb.roonlabs.com/Sound_Quality


    This next page is for people who want to run Roon's Core, Control, and Output components all in one computer. This is not how you get the best sound quality from Roon. For the final word on Sound Quality and Roon, please check out Sound Quality.

    https://kb.roonlabs.com/Sound_Quality_in_One_Computer
     
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