Comments on Profile Post by purr1n

  1. purr1n
    purr1n
    We don't even have electric car infrastructure? How are poor people and recent immigrants going to fare? Should they walk? Will CA become like SF where there are only poor and very rich, but no one in between?
    Sep 23, 2020
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  2. YMO
    YMO
    There's more CA Tags in FL every day that I see.
    Sep 23, 2020
  3. Inoculator
    Inoculator
    Just the sale of new gas-powered cars by then right? Seems that vehicle production will probably be mostly zero-emission vehicles by then anyway, with other countries adopting similar timelines/guidelines.
    Sep 23, 2020
  4. penguins
    penguins
    What frustrates me the most about this:
    1. A lot of "inefficiency" with gas/diesel powered cars is due to sub-optimal street layouts, zoning, traffic lights/control, etc. - things the state has monopolized anyways. Just fixing this would probably increase efficiency by 10%+. Wonder how this compares to car emissions...
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    Sep 23, 2020
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  5. penguins
    penguins
    2. As far as I know, tech isn't and won't be at the point where front end production of non gas cars will be cleaner than back end burning and consumption of fuel. In short, is this yet another instance of moral gesturing gone wrong by people who don't actually know how things work? Or I'm wrong...
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    Sep 23, 2020
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  6. penguins
    penguins
    3. What long term data do we have that shows battery or similarly powered cars don't end up polluting more on the back end? I've seen no data that shows these things won't end up polluting more than gas when a disposal site eventually (as nothing is fail proof) leaks battery acid or other substances into the ground/drinking water/air, etc.
    Sep 23, 2020
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  7. penguins
    penguins
    On the flip side:
    1. Courts may delay this or rule against, could be a test case, etc
    2. There is no denying that we eventually need to reduce reliance and consumption of fossil fuels even if I think the mandate is crap.
    3. Again, I don't believe in most "state forced" w/e, but similar to what inoculator is saying - the market is for better or worse going this way anyways.
    Sep 23, 2020
  8. ChaChaRealSmooth
    ChaChaRealSmooth
    From what I can tell, it's banning the sales of new gas cars starting 2035. That being said, fuck him. I never liked Newsom and never will.
    Sep 23, 2020
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  9. ChaChaRealSmooth
    ChaChaRealSmooth
    @fp627 during the earlier years of the Prius (around mid 2000s), a study was run where the findings were that a Land Rover Discovery was less impactful on the environment overall than a Prius. This included manufacturing, expected driving life/mileage, and disposal. Not sure if that figure has changed in recent years.
    Sep 23, 2020
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  10. Boops
    Boops
    Welcome to NYC in 10 years @purr1n. We have excellent soup dumplings, public transit, and a film/television industry to employ you! Come to think of it, the subway may be broken by then and we could be the center of the next pandemic!
    Sep 23, 2020
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  11. Tachikoma
    Tachikoma
    The thing about electric cars is that they also serve as a storage point for volatile energy sources - i.e., most renewables. Also, by the time we hit 2035, car batteries may last several lifetimes - second hand batteries could be a thing. Add the health benefits (reduced health cost) of getting away from gas and it becomes a no brainer.
    Sep 23, 2020
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  12. rhythmdevils
    rhythmdevils
    I need to buy a BRZ before 2035! Really though, I'm not sure electric is the answer. The power is just generated somewhere else. We also have to figure out how to GENERATE power in a sustainable, earth friendly way. Solar is the only real option but our solar tech is so far behind plants it's pathetic.
    Sep 23, 2020
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  13. LetMeBeFrank
    LetMeBeFrank
    Hydrogen-powered electric. Hydrogen is an unlimited resource, and the only byproduct of burning it is water. You can fill a tank with liquid hydrogen in seconds and drive 800+ miles. People are afraid of hydrogen tanks exploding, but a 2000lb lithium battery is more dangerous imo.
    Sep 23, 2020
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  14. Hands
    Hands
    who the fuck will need to drive in 2035 when we're all working from home wearing nothing but our VR goggles and possibly underwear and all goods are delivered via flying Amazon Alexa drones that play music if asked
    Sep 23, 2020
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  15. YMO
    YMO
    Skynet...I mean Amazon.
    Sep 23, 2020
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  16. bixby
    bixby
    Exemption, though, for those flying cars they promised us in the '60s
    Sep 23, 2020
  17. Taverius
    Taverius
    Where are they going to get the electricity to make all that hydrogen without nuclear?

    It's not a question of storing solar in it, cali already doesn't have enough power, and you want to add mass-scale ludicrously inefficient hydrogen production on top?

    Go ahead, just lemme grab my popcorn first, yo.
    Sep 23, 2020
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  18. schiit
    Sep 23, 2020
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  19. dark_energy
    dark_energy
    Fusion or fission, but current, 3gen nuclear kind of sucks. In 10 to 20 years we might see 90x times more efficient nuclear plants that are also 1000x safer in the worst case scenario.
    Sep 23, 2020
  20. dark_energy
    dark_energy
    IMO electric cars make sense for big city(no smog), but banning all gas cars seems kind of extreme. What are they going to do with all the sports cars and exotics. Scrap them?
    Sep 23, 2020
  21. dark_energy
    dark_energy
    City driving is like 90 percent of the time in traffic or behind the traffic lights so having a 300hp gas car is kind of useless anyway.
    Sep 23, 2020
  22. Cspirou
    Cspirou
    CA already is like SF with unaffordable housing everywhere.

    But why is everyone thinking "WTF we don't have infrastructure for 100% e-vehicles?!" I mean every house already has plugs so there's your infrastructure. But also this is dismissive of public transportation. Give me trains and buses.
    Sep 24, 2020
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  23. Cspirou
    Cspirou
    @ChaChaRealSmooth - Any article I looked up reporting that Land Rover was better for the environment than Prius was retracted. You should probably check after 15 years before saying something like that.

    shorturl.at/iEKP6
    Sep 24, 2020
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  24. rhythmdevils
    rhythmdevils
    @Cspirou yes, if I was king, every major city in the US would have a subway system. And I’d pay for it by.....oh no taxing the rich people in SF. Fuckers ruined the city.
    Sep 24, 2020
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  25. ChaChaRealSmooth
    ChaChaRealSmooth
    @Cspirou did not know that. I did mention that I did not know if new information popped up duirng that time.
    Sep 24, 2020