We don't even have electric car infrastructure? How are poor people and recent immigrants going to fare? Should they walk? Will CA become like SF where there are only poor and very rich, but no one in between?
Just the sale of new gas-powered cars by then right? Seems that vehicle production will probably be mostly zero-emission vehicles by then anyway, with other countries adopting similar timelines/guidelines.
What frustrates me the most about this:
1. A lot of "inefficiency" with gas/diesel powered cars is due to sub-optimal street layouts, zoning, traffic lights/control, etc. - things the state has monopolized anyways. Just fixing this would probably increase efficiency by 10%+. Wonder how this compares to car emissions...
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2. As far as I know, tech isn't and won't be at the point where front end production of non gas cars will be cleaner than back end burning and consumption of fuel. In short, is this yet another instance of moral gesturing gone wrong by people who don't actually know how things work? Or I'm wrong...
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3. What long term data do we have that shows battery or similarly powered cars don't end up polluting more on the back end? I've seen no data that shows these things won't end up polluting more than gas when a disposal site eventually (as nothing is fail proof) leaks battery acid or other substances into the ground/drinking water/air, etc.
On the flip side:
1. Courts may delay this or rule against, could be a test case, etc
2. There is no denying that we eventually need to reduce reliance and consumption of fossil fuels even if I think the mandate is crap.
3. Again, I don't believe in most "state forced" w/e, but similar to what inoculator is saying - the market is for better or worse going this way anyways.
@fp627 during the earlier years of the Prius (around mid 2000s), a study was run where the findings were that a Land Rover Discovery was less impactful on the environment overall than a Prius. This included manufacturing, expected driving life/mileage, and disposal. Not sure if that figure has changed in recent years.
Welcome to NYC in 10 years @purr1n. We have excellent soup dumplings, public transit, and a film/television industry to employ you! Come to think of it, the subway may be broken by then and we could be the center of the next pandemic!
The thing about electric cars is that they also serve as a storage point for volatile energy sources - i.e., most renewables. Also, by the time we hit 2035, car batteries may last several lifetimes - second hand batteries could be a thing. Add the health benefits (reduced health cost) of getting away from gas and it becomes a no brainer.
I need to buy a BRZ before 2035! Really though, I'm not sure electric is the answer. The power is just generated somewhere else. We also have to figure out how to GENERATE power in a sustainable, earth friendly way. Solar is the only real option but our solar tech is so far behind plants it's pathetic.
Hydrogen-powered electric. Hydrogen is an unlimited resource, and the only byproduct of burning it is water. You can fill a tank with liquid hydrogen in seconds and drive 800+ miles. People are afraid of hydrogen tanks exploding, but a 2000lb lithium battery is more dangerous imo.
who the f**k will need to drive in 2035 when we're all working from home wearing nothing but our VR goggles and possibly underwear and all goods are delivered via flying Amazon Alexa drones that play music if asked
Where are they going to get the electricity to make all that hydrogen without nuclear?
It's not a question of storing solar in it, cali already doesn't have enough power, and you want to add mass-scale ludicrously inefficient hydrogen production on top?
Fusion or fission, but current, 3gen nuclear kind of sucks. In 10 to 20 years we might see 90x times more efficient nuclear plants that are also 1000x safer in the worst case scenario.
IMO electric cars make sense for big city(no smog), but banning all gas cars seems kind of extreme. What are they going to do with all the sports cars and exotics. Scrap them?
CA already is like SF with unaffordable housing everywhere.
But why is everyone thinking "WTF we don't have infrastructure for 100% e-vehicles?!" I mean every house already has plugs so there's your infrastructure. But also this is dismissive of public transportation. Give me trains and buses.
@ChaChaRealSmooth - Any article I looked up reporting that Land Rover was better for the environment than Prius was retracted. You should probably check after 15 years before saying something like that.
@Cspirou yes, if I was king, every major city in the US would have a subway system. And I’d pay for it by.....oh no taxing the rich people in SF. porkers ruined the city.
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