Discussion in 'Photography and Cameras' started by Bill-P, Oct 15, 2015.
a7 mk2 comes with fx 28-70, the main difference is image stabilizer and full frame sensor
I usually shoot with an RX100IV and whatever smartphone I have at the time (currently a Samsung Note 8). For good lighting snapshots, they are roughly similar. Once you get indoors or in poor light situations even just the 1" sensor on the RX100IV pulls away in quality. I'd imagine that each increase in sensor size (assuming reasonably good lenses), will result in noticeably better pictures. That said, if you are just taking snapshots to help remember/relive the vacation later, a cellphone might be fine - the quality is really remarkable now for how small the sensors and lenses are. Even with a compact body like the A6xx or A7 (relative to a DSLR), you still are going to have some size to deal with if you are using a good lens, which means a bulkier or additional bag. Personally, even my RX100IV is annoying to have on me at times. But I am not a photographer, I just take photos.
I don't have an a7 II, but I'd assume it will outperform the LG V30 in every aspect except in-camera HDR. I usually carry a Casio EX100F (and sometimes a wide angle ZR5000) alongside my LG V30 and pretty much always prefer the results I get from the Casios.
That said, make sure to install the Google Pixel Cam Port on your LG V30 to get the best out of it:
Even if you decide go for that a7 II, the V30's 13mm secondary wide angle cam might still come in handy in some situations.
I went to Best Buy to check Sony a7 mk2 and Sony a6x00. A7 is is as large as small DSLR so it just defeats the purpose I either go with one of the a600 models or learn more about the LG V30 camera to squeeze maximum quality. Starting with:
Even the RX100 mark II was scary good (,for better bokeh get a bigger sensor). Thing was that little camera was too light for my hands. I might pick up a mark V of that camera if ever I want a pocket camera. Sony really surprised me with that little camera.
A Panasonic or Olympus with pancake 20mm or 12-32mm is one of the best small systems still on the market. M4/3 sensors are so good these days. That Panasonic 20mm F1.7 was one fun little walk-around lens. Need to find something similar for my Pentax (,40mm is such a pleasant focal range!).
Yep. No claims to be miniature, except compared to the really beefy DSLRs. I was surprised by its size when I saw one in the metal. Is the A9 even bigger?
...I guess I should ask the camera-size site! And here's the answer: a6500, a7iii, and a9 each with the 85mm lens that I use. So, no.
HOW THE HELL did I not see this site sooner?
I did a quick comparison of the RX100 VII (1" sensor with 24-200mm effective), Ricoh GR III (APS-C sensor with 28mm effective), RX1R II (full frame, 35mm), and an A7RIV with the smallest 35mm FE lens I could find:
Really hammers home what I'd lose moving to an ILC in terms of portability from my current cameras (GRIII and RX1R II).
So I ended up with RX100 VA, my first venture into pocket size around $1000 cameras. Cold not really justify $500 CAD more on RX100 VII but I maybe I missed something important. It is scary how much better it is comparing to LG v30: image stabilization, working in low light, in difficult light conditions, focus. I sort off started believing in those stories about phones killing DAPs, cameras, do not remember what else. I will be very skeptical from now on
Yep. If and when size matters, this is a great site to check it out on.
Sure. Of course, phone cameras are delivering amazing results, and the likes of you are in a minority, those phone cameras having already killed most of the pocket/P&S camera market.Despite that, Sony don't seem to be slowing down on releasing these high-end pocket cameras.
Congratulations on the new camera. I'm sure you'll get lots of good pics with it!
This with a pancake is pretty sweet.
Might get a good higher end pocket camera next year. Any recommendations up to $1kish? I had a good Nikon DSLR but I prefer simple more than focusing on the details.
Define pocket. The Sony RX100 series is fantastic and is largely pocketable if we are talking a coat pocket. I went from a basic Canon DSLR kit to an RX100 IV several years ago and my travels have been much better even if the photography might have suffered in the margins.
After Google the RX100 series, that's the size that I'm looking for. Something enough for a messenger bag.
@fraggler actually on second thought the RX100 VII looks like it is up my alley. $1,200. : / Then again, could be the only better than smartphone camera that I need on trips that can last for YEARS. Even have mic support on that smaller device, call me impressed plus AF.
Yeah, the Mark IV was $900 when I got it and each gen since has gone up in price. My only issue with the latest is that they traded the faster lens for a more telephoto one. Otherwise it has all the features I wish mine had (though I am still quite happy with what I get out of it).
His YT channel is hilarios! I've been watching him for ages and he always delivers.
Kai is the best.
If you parse out what he's saying between all the jokes he usually gives a pretty good perspective on the gear as well.
Each generation of the RX100 (except the MK5 for some reason) is still in production and is considered by Sony to be different offerings.
The biggest thing you lose when going really far back (pre MK4) is the stacked CMOS which comes with faster readout and less noise at every ISO level. If you want a cheaper body and don't mind the older CMOS, I'd go with the MK3 since that's the first generation that introduced the (vastly superior) 24-70mm equivalent lens that lasted until the MK5.
The newest lens is more versatile but personally I would choose the 24-70 over having extra reach, but obviously your shooting style might dictate whether you care about the 70-200mm range or not. So I would recommend either the MK3 (if you want the best bang for buck), the MK4 (if you want a faster lens) or the MK7 (the most bells and whistles, goes to 200mm).
One other option might be a used Gen 1 RX1R - it's 35mm only but you can easily crop out to about 70mm and still get useful shots.
So many good info with this, thanks. I like the RX100 look, just I need to decide if I want all the features of the MK7 or just get an lower MK model.
I had a DSLR a few years back, a basic Nikon. It was quite good, if you invest in the lens. I really liked the Prime Lens that I had for it. My roomies were like I should continue to take pictures because the things I was taking pictures was better than my roomie who was going to school for photography. Maybe I should back to it.....
The more I research over the last few days, the more I realized the following:
* Sony is now a big player in the camera game with their mirrorless cameras, it's crazy.
* Sony prices for their higher end cameras isn't bat-shit crazy, I haven't look at their lens.
* Sony Sony Sony, Cameron and Nikon was slacking off for the longest time during the 2010s?
* I swear Sony been pushing new tech that's actually good to the point of getting newer buyers into their Camera Ecosystem?
Am I crazy or I'm really over-thinking the Sony part here? Also kind of made me glad, Sony can make mostly good shit if they invest and don't build them like crap.
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