Thanks for that, didnt realize it was sort of packaging it as PCM without actually converting anything. Another point I can add is that Sabre dacs actually cant play one of my DSD albums at all. I got Michael Jackson's Thriller from Acoustic Sounds hi res store a few years ago and sabre dacs actually straight up cant play it. It starts,stops click pops and generally sounds like pure distorted ass. Burr Brown based dacs play it without any issues at all and it sounds great. Something about the way Sabre does DSD is off IMO.