Poll: Magni Apostolic Edition Interest

Discussion in 'Headphone Amplifiers and Combo (DAC/Amp) Units' started by bboris77, Dec 17, 2019.

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Do you want a Magni Apostolic Edition? What color should it be?

  1. No way, I don't want a $99 amp with less than 105db SINAD and 100db of feedback!

    3 vote(s)
    2.8%
  2. All Silver

    16 vote(s)
    14.7%
  3. Black / Green (Racing)

    13 vote(s)
    11.9%
  4. Black / Blue

    6 vote(s)
    5.5%
  5. Black / Purple

    10 vote(s)
    9.2%
  6. Black / Silver (Raiders)

    4 vote(s)
    3.7%
  7. Black / Yellow (Bumblebee)

    7 vote(s)
    6.4%
  8. Black / White (Stormtrooper)

    21 vote(s)
    19.3%
  9. Black / Red (a la Heresy)

    5 vote(s)
    4.6%
  10. Transparent aluminum

    48 vote(s)
    44.0%
  11. Black / Black (Darth Vader)

    20 vote(s)
    18.3%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Roget

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    I don't know why you dislike. It will not be true to the recording, but maybe I will like its sound. What matters is honesty.
     
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  3. lagadu

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    I was tempted to get the 3+ and heresy out of pure curiosity and then just gift the one I'd like less away but ended up not going through with it, pretty sure I'd go ahead with it if this ever happened.

    I imagine that an amp like that would mostly cannibalize the 3+ market though.
     
  4. yotacowboy

    yotacowboy McRibs Kind of Guy

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    This has to be one of the oldest tropes in audiophildom: to know what the original recording sounded like in the studio is to know the "absolute truth". It's garbage. Let me climb inside Steve Hoffman's brain and experience all of his psycho-acoustic biases and cognitive deficiencies! Or better yet, let me test 8,000 peoples preferences and make audio components that are lukewarm porridge designed by committee.

    Gimme an Aegir for headphones and see what the measurements don't tell us. Fawk, Nelson Pass has been banging his head against this horseshit for 2 decades now. Enjoyment, not dialysis.
     
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  5. purr1n

    purr1n Finding his inner redneck

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    Well, if such a hypothetical amp were to be designed and produced, I would hope that you do a blind test of some sort and report back. You wouldn't hurt anybody's feelings if you reported that you thought the sound was colored (provided the objective measurements indicated such as a possibility). As far as honesty, I would also hope that this goes both ways, to measurements, and to your own subjective impressions, even if you hated it.
     
  6. Roget

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    You make good points. I will keep an open mind. I like dishes extra salty sometimes. Maybe this will be the same with audio equipment.
     
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  7. crazychile

    crazychile Eastern Iowa's Spiciest Pepper

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    I don’t give a crap what color it is. I just want a cheap headphone amp that sounds like an Aegir.
     
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  8. schiit

    schiit SchiitHead

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    I love this idea...but I'm tempted to say, "wait a sec, $99 doesn't include the tithe."
     
  9. RobS

    RobS RobS? More like RobDiarrhea.

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    zerodeefex Grumpiest admin

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    Wasn't the Asgard 3 the $199 Aegir? I didn't like that amp but I sure as hell like the Magni 3+.

    Edit: to be clear I fucking love the aegir.
     
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    insidious meme Ambivalent Kumquat

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    MAGNI 3-
    MAGNI DISTOPIA
     
  13. purr1n

    purr1n Finding his inner redneck

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    We should be reasonable, like during the days of Saladin. Non-believers such as @Roget are permitted, but they shall be charged a tax.

    Different sound from Asgard 3 for this hypothetical amp that I have in mind. Asgard 3 sounds more like a bargain solid-state amp doing an interpretation of a DNA amp. Warm, inviting, and plush. I don't see the need for another Asgard 3 in a smaller form factor.

    I was really thinking micro Aegir (stereo, not monoblock), for better or worse.

    Not a monster bass slammer, or bass rich like Nexus; but also not weaksauce, Magni 3+ levels of slam will do. With the small dose of inherent warmth of the Aegir, definitely it's sweet 45 tube like upper mids and highs, and microdynamics a level and a half better than 3+. A more mid-centric, "it's da mids dummy - it's all about da mids, music lives in da mids" kind of sound. Micro Aegir, or even micro Pioneer M22 (not in the tonal sense, but in the way that makes it hard to put the headphones down).

    *audiophile terminology added to scare away audio measurement extremists so they don't even bother to measure.
     
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  14. Psalmanazar

    Psalmanazar Most improved member; A+

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    Exactly. Nobody wants to hear what the the mix sounds like on the cardboard NS10s the record was mixed on. Steve "I MADE DIO SOUND 3-D" Hoffman has no real idea himself what the band sounded like on that day in that room.
     
  15. Mithrandir41

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    Man, I hated monitoring and mixing on NS10's in school. They served their purpose, but anyone that would want to listen to "tool" monitors like that to hear the "original"sound is an asshat.
     
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    Should charge more than $99 just to make heads explode.... worse measurements... more $$.

    I am in :)
     
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    A fun color scheme might be: Red/Black.

    In other words, the inverse of the Heresy's Black/Red.... since we're inverting the priorities, we also invert the color.

    (Or, to really shoot for the moon... maybe White/Gold or Gold/White to look truly angelic)
     
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  18. Psalmanazar

    Psalmanazar Most improved member; A+

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    That HS8s are actually rather pleasing and euphonic is lol. The other Yamahas make me hate music.
     
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    Schiit already hit the ball out of the park with the Magni 3+ and Heresy good job by the way. Shut the wankers at ASR up straight away. Another $99 amp isn't needed and if it measured even a bit worse than the Heresy would give ASR something to bitch about. Now a solid state amp for under $500 that sounds like a Black Widow 2 would be really interesting.
     
  20. purr1n

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    So for fun, let's make up a distortion profile target for this hypothetical design. The reason for this is because we don't want anyone from Audio Measurements Extremists to consider this amp. The point is these are the design parameters, the target. We want Amir to wince in discomfort and immediately tell people to avoid this amp at all costs. What we want is the engineer to design an amp the mimics this distortion behavior, not through incompetence, but rather through skillful application of art, science and experience.

    For around a 0dBU signal, I would like to see a distortion profile that looks like the below. The distortion profile will still be considered good (yet still maintain a "not recommended" rating per the Audio Measurement Extremists), say 100db SINAD at 0.775rms, 95db SINAD near 2Vrms, and 80db SINAD near 4Vrms. The major contributor to THD will be the second harmonic with each successive harmonic approximately half of the one before it. Note that 0.550Vrms at full scale 0dbFS peak will be moderately to very loud for most listeners and headphones.

    Red is Heresy. I've overlaid the the target distortion for this hypothetical micro-aegir amp is in blue.
    0dbU 1kHz into 300-ohms.
    upload_2019-12-20_14-32-38.png

    Red and Blue are Heresy. Target distortion for this micro-aegir is in orange.
    upload_2019-12-20_14-46-3.png

    10 points for what this looks like. @atomicbob is not allowed to guess.
     
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