The Head-Fi Healing Thread

Discussion in 'Tales from the Bully Pulpit' started by Madaboutaudio, Oct 10, 2015.

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Does Head-Fi Make You Feel Like You've Been Touched by an Icky Politician?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. I love Jude!

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  1. Divad al-Rahsir

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    It's also of an example with what's wrong over there. We have what should be an excellent thread, with behind-the-scenes looks at what happens at a company that most of us like, written by a man that knows (and an articulate guy to boot), and the signal to noise ratio plummets as a bunch of probably well-intentioned individuals bury it under an avalanche of shitposting.

    That seems to be par for the course there. Someone starts a thread that should be good (and again, probably with the best of intentions) and several thousand posts later, the gems are firmly covered by the fertilizer.

    Props to Jason for seeing that one coming and linking to his additions, but still...it's endemic, and it's annoying. I suppose that this is unavoidable when a forum gets to a certain size. Everyone and their extended family feels the need to chime in with an opinion, much like I've done here.

    *Deep sigh.*

    Anyone here remember Usenet? Things used to be so much simpler. The internet needs to have an entrance exam again.
     
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    I think these large communities should have an essay requirement. Just a little blurb about yourself, why you're there, and what you have to offer the community. Simple. Something short, like 250 words. Most people who only post nonsense can't be bothered to bullshit their way through it, but if you do have a good reason for being there, then it's easy to muster. If you can't manage that, something is wrong. With good oversight, it actually works pretty well ime. I was on an admin team that did that. Made our lives easier, everybody got along, discussions stayed focused. As a bonus, we never had to worry about spam bots :p We flourished for nearly 8 years that way. What ultimately killed us were outages and lack of funding.

    Unanimously, the ones who would stick around and make good contributions beyond passed the essay test, while the wastes of space and future problem children barely made it. The essay just made it easier to identify them and later weed them out, if they weren't ousted by the community of people who really wanted to be there, first. And the ones that didn't pass... ...holy shit. I wish I had saved some of the essays that didn't pass. Prime specimens of toxic entities. People who would have otherwise slipped right in and been a disruption/distraction. Glad not to have had to deal with them later.

    There at least needs to be some form of vetting. It's strange to me that everyone on most large forums has sort of an even footing when it comes to credibility. Makes it hard to separate the quality from the tripe and hinders meaningful conversation imo. A "like" or "karma" system isn't enough. Everyone knows that likes don't matter.

    One thing that stood out to me about SBAF is that they actually have a dislike button AND a vetting process. And it clearly f'ing works! A like is easy to give, but a dislike says a lot more about intent and perception. You have to really stop and think about why you are giving/receiving one. A non-arbitrary hierarchy (rather than one based on likes/post count) is another good way to highlight people who are known for quality and/or close involvement with the community. I like it as sort of a loose-gripped way of directing people towards better behavior and keeping things a little tighter and more cohesive.

    Everyone should be able to say what they want to when its appropriate, but this freedom of expression nonsense is ruining the internet. If everyone chimed in on everything at once, nobody would be heard. Some opinions are more valuable than others... ...better-informed, more focused, more intentful. Not everyone puts the same amount of effort and thought into what they say. I think it would be great if there was a way to better emphasize the voices that do.

    Not everyone who has an opinion should say it or be given equal attention for it. Quite often, they're wasting their time and yours. Of course, there has to be a place for shitposting too - an outlet, but where it gathers is the difference between a place of meaningful discussion and a pile of shit with golden little glimmers. There needs to be a systematic way of separating things... ...one that people are intuitively drawn to adhere to.

    I think many of the people who oversee internet communities don't do enough to control the SNR. Sometimes, it's just growth. If you don't start establishing a stable order/structure to modes of discussion early, it's hard to change the momentum later. You wind up with major contributors who operate in a way that undermines discussions and there just isn't a whole lot you can do about it without eviscerating the whole damned thing. Many things must be left to the community, but it is the staff's responsibility to create channels that enable participants to shape the backdrop in a way that is beneficial to everyone.
     
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  3. Divad al-Rahsir

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    You said what I was thinking, but better than I thought it. Bravo.
     
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    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    Leadership, guidance, adapting, and listening to members. It's not easy. SuperBAF's predecessor site Changstar made many mistakes. However, we learned from them and put into SuperBAF the things that worked well. Even then, SuperBAF still makes mistakes. One thing to decide is how egalitarian you want the forum to be, and by extension, how many people you want to be active posters. It's impossible to keep everybody happy. SuperBAF has a much easier time making these decisions because its funded by its members, with a few key members who spend a crapload of their own personal time trying to make it better. We don't need or want to have 4 million hits a month for revenue. It's a meritocracy here, and people who make the most sense are the ones who are respected most.

    Our moderation has a very light touch, but yet at the same time has zero tolerance for troublemakers. One thing we've learned from Changstar and reinforced in the early months of SuperBAF was to ban known troublemakers sooner rather than later. Human decency almost demands that people be given a second chance. That's exactly what we give them. A second chance, but not a third. Surprisingly, there are only four people perma banned. Our tact on moderation concerns itself less on the actual words used than the intent of the words. Trolls tend to be quite skillful and we've been able to flush them out by identifying three different types (see http://www.superbestaudiofriends.or...ly-shaffer-mad-at-marv.1383/page-6#post-35085)

    The most important thing we've done is set a certain tone and institute a certain culture. No one gets upset if somebody else doesn't like something as long as they can explain why. There's a lot of respect for each other and knowing that other people's sonic preferences may differ. We understand that there will be disagreements, sometimes disagreements, but we let things play themselves out. And on occasion, if certain things get outta whack, we'll go into various levels of "dick mode" to right the course. Sometimes there are things which are plainly wrong, and we are not afraid to take a stand. None of this is easy. It's a matter of balance - not too tight and not to loose - which should apply to everything in life. And of course our motto: we don't take ourselves seriously, but we do take audio seriously.

    I should probably write a Jason'esque blog on running niche forums.
     
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    hello,

    do it! :bow:
     
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    I might have to scratch my "Life after Yggdrasil?" thread entirely (I'd already pretty much decided on just continuing that over here). I really never opened my mind to the notion that the Fiio D3 was, in any way, a relevant alternative to Yggdrasil.

    Clearly a missed opportunity on my part.

    And, despite being the happy side of a bottle of Alexandria Nicole's Tempranillo (very nice, and certainly qualifying as wet-and-alcoholic, though I prefer Tempranillo in "proper" Riojas with rather stronger vanilla/oak undertones), and decidedly the wrong side of a couple* of Park's "Cognacs" that showed up on my bar at some point that I completely fail to recall (it was probably last Halloween, but I was the 4th Doctor then ... so who knows), that kind of muppetry is still beyond me.

    I might be inappropriately inebriated.

    And I am, more than likely, quite wantonly wankered.

    But even in this state, and subject to an extreme level of keyboard-diarreha/incontinence, my mind is just not open enough to entertain that sort of comparison.

    Probably time to stop talking/typing utter bollocks and make some tea; though that might involve a trip to casualty (the ER for you US types), as near-boiling water combined my coordination is long past the point where I'd dare braving queuing up an LP that wasn't of the "Donny Osmond" (possibly has more teeth than braincells) variety.

    (*"Couple" is, for my purposes here, defined as any number >= 2. There were six in the sampler box. I can't find that now.)
     
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    . . Wow, it was worth going through this whole thread for just this particular entry! Now I just really want to know what "Judegate" is about? But to be fair, I have encountered a different approach (even though it was in 2002), where Jude revealed this:
    http://www.head-fi.org/t/18185/diss...-basic-power-cord-photos-included#post_203202
     
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    . . Wow, it was worth going through this whole thread for just this particular entry! Now I just really want to know what "Judegate" is about? But to be fair, I have encountered a different approach (even though it was in 2002), where Jude revealed this:
    http://www.head-fi.org/t/18185/diss...-basic-power-cord-photos-included#post_203202
     
  10. zerodeefex

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    I hope you hire an editor.

    Here's a secret guys: when I read Marv's posts and notice grammar mistakes or errors I silently edit them out of OCD. I try not to look for them but sometimes I can't help it.
     
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    LOL! It's hard to write nice.
     
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    Hah! You couldn't resist getting it's right! :D
     
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    Have...to... avoid...disliking....
     
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    Be my guest! Please... I'd be honoured!
     
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    I have a blog in the head-fi bloggers sections, but it's mostly about music and not audio gear. I haven't posted anything in it for like a year now, and TBH I'm not sure if I should even bother anymore.

    Outside of that, nah, I don't visit head-fi.
     
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    You know, I enjoyed that blog. Why not start it up again over here? :bird:
     
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    I sincerely enjoyed your music lists as well and have discovered quite a few gems for which I am very grateful.
     
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    Yessss, I also loved discovering artists through your blog as well. It would be cool to read it here!
     
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    @MuppetFace: you are always welcome to have your own blog here. We'll set it up for you.

    Yes, need proofreader. Between RL, kids, measurements, organizing meets, PMs, this site, I don't mind about certain things as much as I should.
     
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    Judegate very succinctly:

    From our point of view, Jude got @No_One411 fired from his job as a rep for HiFiMan shortly after the last CanJam. @zerodeefex tested our presumptions by publicly suggesting that @No_One411 seek legal recourse. In a matter of hours, near simultaneous responses were issued from HFM and Jude explaining the reasons for @No_One411's termination. No one (hahah pun) believes their lame excuses because @No_One411 was fired shortly after (not before) CanJam where Jude had a chance to meet up with HFM.

    The real reason for the termination is that @No_One411 served as a HFM ambassador to Changstar and then to SuperBAF. We were early birds for the HE400S and HiFiMan Edition X headphones. Jude hates that. Jude wants to be first and he wants to be the only. I know for a fact that he's broken press embargo several times to get the scoop before SuperBAF. We don't care, because it's not who is first.
     
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