Ambiophonics, you have to try it

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  1. STC

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    I have never seen it before. It wasn't listed in Ambiophonics website. Will download and see if it works as advertised. What was the speaker's angle when you used this plugin?
     
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    TheIceman93 El pato-zorro

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    Do the DSP plug ins not require you to move the speakers close together? Just curious.

    It does sound strange for sure. I agree with @Serious, it sounds halfway between headphones and speakers. It never felt natural or "live" to me. I enjoyed setting it up and listening for an hour or so but its nothing I'd ever actually use in my home. Plus, having a mattress on its side in your living room looks utterly ridiculous. But the stupidity of it is what motivated me to try it in the first place. My roommate thinks audiophiles are mentally ill so I mostly wanted to see his reaction. I should have taken a picture.
     
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    They are several. One here at http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=12277

    I read it but I am not providing offering any software or hardware except that I am an end user and help other users who wanted try the ambiophonics method. I thought I would explain my position in this thread because that would be a repetition of my introductory.
     
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    60° - they are my desktop speakers. I fear trying them on the big horn / woofer in my living room.

    I'm not saying it doesn't work. I'm saying this the wrong application. I trust mixing and mastering engineers (and the artists and stakeholders who approve the work) to do their job correctly. When this is done, the best method of playback is a good speaker setup similar to studio setups (maybe without the room treatments) without any extraneous DSP soundstage crap. I don't need the sections of the orchestra rearranged. Or David Bryne's voice emanating from the netherworld instead of pin-point floating in the middle.
     
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    You don't need the mattress with DSP. I have only tried the DSP's mentioned their website and I rate some better than the other. IMO, Minidsp is the best. They have the plugin there. I am using Jriver with ambiodsp VST plugin with SIR2.
     
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    It will never work with 60 degrees. You have to bring the speakers closer. Recording engineers do use Ambiophonics. Maybe, a few. Award winning Robin Miller is using ambiophonics for his production. It takes time to understand.
     
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    In the past two years, I've visited over a hundred post production facilities on four continents, some large ones with dozens of production bays. None of them have the speakers together. None of them used ambiophonics.

    Also, why would I want to put my speaker monitors in front of my screen, if I must put them closer together? Seems like this is a solution waiting for a problem.

    Isn't Robin Miller a motorsports journalist?
     
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    An internationally recognized engineering consultant and Peabody award-winning producer, Robin Miller has presented advanced 2D and 3D audio solutions worldwide to the Audio Engineering Society, Society of Motion Picture & Television Engineers, Acoustical Society of America, Canadian Acoustical Association, and German Tonmeisters.

     
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    Robin Miller is a journalist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Miller_(journalist)
    Robin Millar is a producer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Millar
     
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    I'll revisit when I see Michael Bay, Chris Nolan, or even Kevin Smith walk into a screening room and insist on Amphibiansonics.
     
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    spwath Hijinks master cum laudle

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    So just a question, is it
    THIS:
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    or
    THIS:
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    LMAO. LOL, in a strange way, it does make speakers have the screwy imaging of BAD headphones: hole-in-the-middle or three-blob. So it would be the bottom one.
     
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    Introducing ambiophonics - the latest in bad headphone simulation technology!
     
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    Bear with me for a bit.

    You have a very nice antique table. One of the legs is slightly too short. You make a decision that you can't add padding under the leg because it looks weird, and you cant make the leg longer because you can't match the wood grain perfectly.

    You have a few solutions. One is sell the table, and exchange it for something else. It's not the exact same table, but its virtually identical.

    Another is to simply cut the three other legs of your table shorter, thus effectively balancing it. A work-around, but a clever one.

    The third, which is the ambiophonics approach, is to drill holes in your floor and make the table level that way.



    tl;dr- This seems like a needlessly complicated solution for a problem of your own choice (as you are free to take any number of other fairly convenient solutions), which only makes things worse in the long run.
     
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    I admire your enthusiasm for Ambiophonics. It is not every end user that gets "an alert" about a product when someone posts about it on the internet. Or thinks highly enough of the product to call it "my system".
     
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    Ha Ha, so it was you! Ambiphonics ambassador to the world. :)

    Yes, I'm quite willing to take this stuff seriously --- but too lazy to shift stuff around in a house where I don't even have a proper stereo listening space! That's why... headphones, mostly, for me these days.
     
  18. STC

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    More of a desperate ambassador searching for other users. :) Hang on to your headphones because I think the Smyth R16 is turning any recordings to binaural like and ideal for those who are comfortable with headphones. I will be joining you soon once their earphones version is ready.
     
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    This is not even close in terms of comparison. The realiser uses positional head and some really intelligent filtering plus modeling of existing systems to simulate surround effects using two transducers close to your ears. It's actually quite brilliant.
     
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    I've been following the Realiser for a bit. Would love to hear it. Unfortunately brilliant sometimes = over my budget.
     

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