When Audio Reviews Face Legal Threats: dCS vs. GoldenOne

Discussion in 'General Audio Discussion' started by Vtory, Jul 14, 2024.

  1. netforce

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    As someone working at headphones.com and colleague to Cameron for the last few years, I imagine dCS is looking quite closely at all the places talking about the video plus with the sword of litigation hovering over one's head, I won't say too much but my recent experience.

    Working in the customer side of headphones.com, we did receive a ton of positive emails and messages in support of Cameron and I would like to say thank you to everyone who has been sending the positive messages our way. Resolve has posted and asked those thinking of confronting dCS at CanJam London or sending messages to direct dCS employees, please refrain from doing so.

    Speaking on my end doing CS for various companies for over the past decade, never nice receiving strays in any capacity. dCS made their reply and we have posted ours linked earlier in the thread. Seeing the video has spread quite far around the internet and seeing positive support has been heartwarming. Makes me happy to be a part of the community where we can collectively come together to call out companies for such practices.
     
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    A small but slowly shrinking world. When I was with an audio club, I get told here and there of another member dying. I was the younger member of the bunch by far.
     
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    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    Tempted, but I'd rather put that money toward a small place outside of London, a Porsche 718 to complement my American OHV V8, or Greek island hopping for a year. There are plenty of people with pricey DACs (and TTs) here too, they've gone in other directions. No one here gives a crap about dCS. From the looks of things, they are probably a dying company.
     
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    Just wasted 15 minutes of my time watching the videos and reading the review. I dunno what dCS is bitching about. Golden didn't care for the Bartok. Big deal. The only valid point dCS had was Golden saying the DSD upsampling introduced a "copious" (now "ridiculous") amount of ultrasonic noise.

    I guess one can argue that saying this is dumb because it's part of the DSD64 format. We get almost infinite bit-depth in the most of the audio band, but get ultrasonic crap up high in return because of noise shaping.

    Then again, this ultrasonic stuff is supposed to be disappeared via an analog filter like on the Sony CD SACD (DSD) Players of yore playing back SACD content, therefore Golden has a valid point.

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    Basically dCS is getting their panties up in a bunch or is just wrong wrong wrong.
     
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    Funny thing, that enmity between GS and Amir; apparently Amir is backing up Cameron(At around 19:00 in the youtube video.) Weird times.

    Edit, That was kinda already mentioned.
     
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    As per the Ring DAC actually being a delta-sigma DAC with another name, LOL dCS fucked themselves by bringing this up. dCS Ring DAC (What's a Ring DAC? It's special right?) used to have a aura of mystique. Now it clearly doesn't. (Looks similar to AKM's switched resistor DAC chips, e.g. 4499).

    dCS needs to fire some people, like how Budweiser fired some people. This is just a colossal f**k up from a dinosaur company that still believes that people must go to a dealer for their audio gear. https://dcsaudio.com/buying-advice

    We prefer to go to SBAF friends' houses and small meets, and use Internet to come up with short lists. Just SMH.

    I cannot believe dCS went after Golden for so so little. The dude is a Brit so he's always been very polite. I don't see anywhere where he says it's a POS. In fact, he ends with "Overall the performance of the Bartok is generally excellent, I just wish that the ultrasonic noise wasn’t so high!"

    Dumb dumb dumb dumb.
     
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    The skeptic in me wants to play the "no such thing as bad publicity card" and that this is all a big wash to get their names propped up in (social) media. Up until now I've had zero inkling on anything dCS has done, and now I feel dragged into it only slightly because of this brouhaha, but my senses are coming back and I feel like I should just go back to ignoring this like everything else.
     
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    Then again, ORFAS likes paying one person to do everything.

    Someone can correct me but don't see that dCS actively drew attention to themselves until after Cameron revealed the legal threat. I think near all of their communication was over private channels.
     
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    Yeah but playing dumbass's advocate for a minute I can see how anything but effusive praise for the Bartok at its MSRP (GBP 12,500, holy crud) might not be as inspiring of confidence among buyers— at that level of gear buyers will definitely be wanting validation, no?

    It's definitely a massive overreach especially considering the review was published back in 2021; no clue what the hell went through their team's collective head.
     
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    English libel law is different in unpleasant ways. Just sayin' (and again, IANAL)
     
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    Well now that just begs the question... do the drapes match the carpet?
     
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    dCS - do cunty shit
     
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    But they had to realize that a legal threat against an internet "influencer" would result in the threat being made public? Or are they that stupid?
     
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    Hasn’t reached the country clubs, yet.
     
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    For sure. That I have to assume they knew and intended to be public. If we are to take the dCS version of events, after 2.5 years of perceived insults they felt their only recourse was to slap Cameron with their glove and demand satisfaction. But I don't think prior to that they wanted to "go loud."
     
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    I feel strongly that when it comes to customer relationships and product integrity, it is not true that there is no such thing as bad publicity.
     
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    https://dcs.community/t/goldensound-headphones-com-dcs-an-update/6740

    Good news, dCS has issued a new statement and apologized for their previous statement and any factual errors made.

    Hope that is the end of this saga and again on a personal level I would like to say thank you to the entire community who supported GoldenSound and headphones.com throughout all of this. You guys rule.

     
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    It looks like Alissa Heinerscheid is now working for dCS. Because they are begging to be the Bud Light of audio.
     
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    GTFO with your "woke mob" fear mongering. Absolutely f'ing embarrassing in 2024 to equate these two.
     
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