Verum: Doing The Right Thing

Discussion in 'How to Win Friends and Influence People' started by Ryanr1987, Jul 17, 2020.

  1. Ryanr1987

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    Shame to see Garuspik banned, he had a bright future in the headphone game, nailed the timbre of a planar on his first go which is damn impressive, his comments while some funny others a bit too far and unprofessional in other places ultimately probably contributed to his banning.

    This is now multiple forums and while reddit and discord aren't a big deal, headfi for marketing and here for quality impressions will hurt him. I hope in future he can come back from this but I feel he's too set in his ways to. Such a shame.
     
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    Was there drama? Why was he banned?
     
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    The staff will have their reasons it's not really something to discuss openly. I just hope he can get his shit together in the future as he has a lot to offer.
     
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    Many will get confused but believe me that this was totally justified by the admins.
    It's a shame since, as @Ryanr1987 said, he had a lot to offer.
     
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    YMO it's not drinking alone if you're on Zoom

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    I hate to say it, but I'm kind-of glad he is gone. No more random people making posts here asking Garuspik where's my stuff. Honestly, if there was a reason why I didn't want to try out his headphones, this was it.
     
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    I can see why he was given the benefit of the doubt, his excuse might've been BS and it was his first offence on here but with the drama adding up everywhere It was the right move in the end.

    I just hate to see someone who had a lot to offer, throw it away; he could've been where Zach is today after a few years.
     
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    Might want to move this discussion elsewhere. Still pretty shitty one has to be judged for what is expected to be a private conversation like the rest of us are saints all the time.
    We consume goods from companies and countries who literally are destroying values, morals, the liveable world is under threat in various ways not to mention keeping modern day concentration camps, hundreds of thousands dying pointlessly yet this...this is over the line, some words online. I'd rather buy Verum and not anything containing palm oil, or any other number of forced unnecessary products requiring species extinction or mass deforestation or whole generation brainwashing and indoctrination. Double standards suck.
     
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  9. k4rstar

    k4rstar Done his time

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    these were not private conversations, he was saying these things in more or less public servers and many people were made aware of it. very stupid thing to do when you have a small business that is 100% e-commerce based, your personal online image is directly tied to your business image. his actions as an individual were clearly shameless and he has to own the repercussions, apologizing and saying his dog ate his homework only when caught, it makes no sense to compare to the evil of multi-national corporations.
     
  10. Lyander

    Lyander Too sensitive for SBAF

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    Both entities in the above two posts are evil, but while one mixes unethically-sourced human feces into the bulk of fertiliser you just bought off Amazon the other is a person making a deposit directly onto your lawn while flipping the CCTV off and then saying your dog did it.
     
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    https://www.superbestaudiofriends.o...sues-with-verum-brand.8023/page-4#post-309244

    There is overwhelming evidence of racism elsewhere on the internet if you want to find it. He was given a chance after his "intern" was being an asshole but the goodwill has run out.

    Yeah, I think being openly racist and a jackass on the internet isn't something to "not discuss openly."

    Two weeks off. This is just handwaving bullshit. As folks have mentioned, this was not a private discord and this was just a couple of months ago. I have zero tolerance for blatant racism and dropping N bombs. I'd give him a pass if someone dug up him being a dick 10 years ago but I have no patience for this today.

    I'm not going to make your buying decisions for you, but I am telling you that on this forum, where I'm an admin, I have zero tolerance for vendors who choose to make racist jokes, especially ones we've given the benefit of the doubt in the past.

    And, for the record, I do vote with my wallet and encourage others to ask themselves what they choose to buy and what companies they choose to support. The "oh well, not like I can make a difference attitude" isn't for me.
     
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    purr1n Finding his inner redneck

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    That's the thing. Benefit of the doubt already granted once and I stood up for for him. There's borderline stuff. Then there are N-bombs. This isn't my daughter's high school were kids are just being dumb and pretending to be ghetto.

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

    We're understanding types. Public apologies of assery are always accepted. But time out for now and maybe an extended period of time if not forever. I see this as just.
     
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    This makes me wish I hadn't bought mine (and not received them yet) at the beginning of May. It's a shame because he got a lot of support from SBAF. Oh well. True colors and all that.
     
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    It is a shame. Good product, great price. Sad about this whole thing.
     
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    Full disclosure, Garuspik, my boss and I had talked very briefly last year when he reached out about TSAV being a dealer. Nothing ended up happening and our last correspondence was on August 7, 2019. I write this not as an employee of TSAV but the opinions expressed are entirely my own.

    Here is my take on Garuspik and the whole situation:

    I was the one of the people who assembled an Imgur album and posted that on the Reddit thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones...pik_creator_of_verum_one_talks_about/fybpq1u/). I didn't have much experience with Verum/Garu minus the above mentioned and seeing the Gaspasser thread:
    https://www.superbestaudiofriends.o...ustomer-service-issues-with-verum-brand.8023/

    At the time I thought the interaction was pretty wrong, I believed the "intern excuse" since others backed it up. Still I believe we all make mistakes and even if it was possibly him, maybe he learned from it and would improve. I was wrong.

    Recently on Discord I was invited to a server where I saw the screenshots of Garuspik racist, homophobic, and his ongoing harassment of Max_Settings. Garuspik has had a history of shit/racist takes, getting banned and then making alt accounts to come back.

    Max_Settings:
    Max is someone I would consider a close friend. He can be abrasive on Discord to others and has made a long list of enemies, but the shit he had to deal with Garu was over the line. The pictures in the imgur album were mostly from Max and these were the screenshots that I only spent 10 minutes assembling. Max in recent days has left all audio discords and to respect his privacy, I have not asked him for more screenshots to add.

    https://imgur.com/a/mNXbtlf
    https://imgur.com/a/F2km8as
    https://i.imgur.com/cTnSG0W.png
    https://imgur.com/otxYN9C
    (Racist language)
    The pictures I would say speak for themselves of his repeated use of the n-word, homophobic remarks, and general racism/harassment. Garuspik has made no efforts to hide this in the past, and it has been openly known in certain circles for over a year now.

    I choose to share the images since I believe a majority of the community did give Garu a pass last year but he has not changed and to a sense only gotten worse. I think people do deserve second chances if they make the effort to realize the error of their ways which Garu has not.

    To further nail the point home, Garu made a Reddit account to address the accusations and instead of learning or apologizing? He fucking doubles down with his racist shit and poorly tried to photoshop the OP:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones...pik_creator_of_verum_one_talks_about/fycbn8f/
    [​IMG]

    Here is his Reddit account if you want to see more of his posting:
    https://www.reddit.com/user/_Garuspik_

    I personally have never heard any of his products, the way he interacted in the past itself kinda rubbed me the wrong way. If you read all of this and still enjoy the headphones or think the way Garu acts or speaks is fine, go ahead. Nobody is stopping you but if you find his words disgusting like I do, than don't support him or his products in the future. He has acted with impunity and without consequences for too long. You reap what you sow.
     
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    This is truly deluded thinking. Equating a community (this word is important) member to huge multi national corps? How in the fucking world are they even close to being similar? It's not a double standard...at all.

    What is it? It's holding a member of the community to a higher standard. It's not even some "cancel culture" made up fairytale bullshit from 20 years ago. There is hard, recent, repeated, evidence of being quite literally, a racist asshole.

    Should the ban be permanent? I have no idea. I'm not an admin or mod, or staff. Can people realise, "hey, I dun fucked up big time, and I'm going to do better from now on"? They absolutely can. Will Garuspik? I don't know. Will you? I don't know.

    Peace and love everybody :)
     
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    YMO it's not drinking alone if you're on Zoom

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    Sigh...

    If you are liking @m17xr2b's recent post, why?
     
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    This guy needs some cross cultural sensitivity classes if he wants to run a successful business which deals with ppl across globe. No doubt he is talented but too bad no soft skills to back it up.
     
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    I don't know but anyone who still has liked that post when I check back in in a couple of hours gets a temp ban of their own.
     
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    Evidence of Garu's racism is overwhelming, or at least racism being one of his beliefs that are incompatible with contemporary western culture.

    You being a friend of Max is not a positive thing in this whole situation. I remember Max reviewing Verum One and going on a tangential diatribe of how Garu should run his company, flat-Earth conceptions, Jews... Shoehorning all that stuff into the video that was supposed to be a headphone review.

    The point is, there is bad blood between Max and Garu and I don't care one bit who started it and what they said to each other. You acting out online to get Garu canceled is unfortunately not because you are a "good guy" but because of the ressentiment you hold/share with Max.

    Best regards.
     
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