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That's it. How did I wrote that much?

I'm a lonely man.

No, all good bro. But you might wanna create a thread on this instead.

@joch Thanks but... This comparison is based on two broken / modded amps, I don't think it's that valid? Besides, no one is really considering that €4000 amp, right?

It's like there are even more mounting clips on BT. Yep, I counted them, 12 vs 9 on normal ones. Maybe they went for better seal on BT, if taking off the pads were not a PITA...

Do the 9 clipped pads fit in the other? Because you can use other stuff to seal the pads better.

Nope, first look was like the arrangement of the clips were flipped upside down, but due to egg shape of them, I couldn't force the smaller end into the bigger end, then I found the numbers were then different.

Maybe it's the PCB, chips and batteries in BT made the mounting screw holes moved a bit, then some of the original clips hole were too close to some screw holes causing structure vulnerability, maybe?

Maybe Ananda needs more power to drive, as it just sounds a bit off. Deva Pro sounds much better timbre-wise.

And maybe it's better detail retrieval, or just more pronounced in that frequency, I think Ananda is "good" at picking up low level electric noise, I guess it might not be wise to pair it with some noisy Bluetooth source. Oh, wait...

And it's my current No.1 "speaker-like" headphone, it's so transparent, I can hear everything outside and it sounds the same listening from the back of the headphones... (Reminder: I took all the back damping material off (A PCB window with black cloth mesh))

Anyway, it should be great for PC use, like gaming? 3D printing cat ears now!!!!!

I applied some sound damping material and some felt in the cup, solved the treble peak (I think), then changed the headband, since my pair is V1, the OG headband sucks...

Oh, I forgot, also, pads swap...

The good thing about these headphones is that they have some bloated bass, making music fun, kinda reminds me of TH-X00 Purpleheart, not to that much bloated, but they are just more fun than HE6SE V1 (and I think I've made HE6SE a bit bloated already)

I was playing around with my recent-found dynamat-like material, I applied some strips of it to the inner wall, but I just didn't like the metal sheet of the material, so I put some sound damping foam on in, so I made two layers of rings.

Then I found that the vocal was quite muffled. I didn't think my boring mod would make any sense, but after taking the foam off, the liveliness of vocal was back.

It's a great experiment to me, because I did want to tune down the highs a bit, so now I left 1/3 ring of foam in, and I'm happy. (other changes to my HE6SE: ZMF suede pads with bassports, 3D printed grill. Yes, I'm sensitive to treble peaks)

Ok, 13 minutes later, I came up with a theory: because the treble was compressed more in reaction videos so relatively, mids got more pronounced.

Warmpoo FTW!!!

= Equal points:
= Same painful headbands.
= Same build.
= Same cable.
= Same overall feeling of sound. (Sorry I really don't want to dive deep on these two headphones.)

- points for Deva Pro:
-- I can't use my freaking 3.5mm balanced cable due to the freaking Bluetooth thingy compatibility.
-- Bad earpads compatibility, not the normal Hifiman ring type pads mounts... Sigh.
- More expensive for ~ same sound.
- I don't think I can do easy grill mod on this one.

Oh, one more thing (or two), both HE400SE and Deva Pro are the "Stealth Magnets" version. The magnets... are not that D-shape in their promoting materials. It's just like the designer made the bevel width 3x, and that's it.

I don't know how hard it is to work on magnets, but that doesn't feel "stealthy" enough to me.

I'll stick to the VU meters.

Cat eyes are next level

Where's the dislike button ...?

Still, could be my half broken Rag, but everything else sounds OK, except some known issue to me. Yea, maybe need to look elsewhere. (ESP 95X is goooood!)

Do you have any other amps to test on? or pick up something popular on the used market so it's easy to resell.

Ok, I blew the dust off my Vali 2+, and plugged it into my system.

HD800 sounds smoother on Vali 2+, and I just feel little fatigue, definitely bearable. But it also just sounds a bit plain, while it sounded much more assuring on Rag.

Come to think of it, the pain could even be caused by higher volume on Rag? Because it was really good, I needed more!

Guess HD800 + Rag is not a good match, here at least.

That's a Piety + EC ZDT Jr.! Love that. Thanks for sharing!

Oh my, a Piety? Galactic Mind!

The headphones with that setup makes me sad

Thought these videos were interesting: https://youtu.be/GAxOMfiqiVg?si=3CKyWM22g4HuuA1H and https://youtu.be/CO5zoyIbV40?si=rL9dxoxMeNkVkzeq
Second one has a test where there are some considerations if there is a transformer involved.

Sorry guys, I really tried to take them apart, I even unplugged everything and put my screw driver out. But living in China, I need to do OT, sigh.

The noise should be from a cheap voltage adjustable PSU. I swapped it to a fixed V one, and the noise was much lower now (but still auditable from Ragnarok V1 -> E-mu Teak only. HD800, HE6SE and even ifi iESL -> KOSS ESP950 sounded OK)

The cheap power conditioner is Weiduka AC2.2, I believe it's normal transformer type? Ref pics: https://hifi-inside.com/audio-cable-accessories/ac-power-distributor-filter/weiduka

The expensive one: Chang Lightspeed CLS 3200 ISO MKII. I did open it up, one of the LEDs were gone but the "candles" looked OK? Ref pic:https://www.audionet.com.tw/data/attachment/forum/201611/01/150822ctb8ovbbh4kvt484.jpg

I've used the older pair quite a bit (it belongs to one of my colleagues), and was fine with it on the same setup. Today I read someone mentioned HE6SE v1 with older SN (started with 80 / 81) could be using old HE6 drivers, I didn't believe it, but I thought it might worth an AB test, so here I am.

(Grain of salt reminder: 1. Small sample size. 2. Variable mentioned above 3. Short testing time period. 4. Dumb ears)

I had one of those earlier 6SEs and kinda regret ever selling them. They were a good contrast/addition to my 4 screws. I have never found v2 to be even remotely as well done. Warm, powerful, ver nice slam, well balanced with OG pads and also Velpads. Those v1 were goldilocks headphones.

@Huhnkopf I thought HE6SE was already a "degenerated" HE6, but really didn't reckon they had to pull anther one on HE6SE V2...

And here comes the FAQ: HE6SE vs HE6? I guess the HE6s are leaner with more authority? But how about technical things like details? Thanks.

Did you try iems? To be clear it can still give problems depending on tips used. If i don't use comply foam or spinfits i can get L/R balance issues.

IEMs sounded OK? The only earplugs / earbuds had that "imbalance" to my ears were Sennheiser MX90. IEMs really didn't caught any problem iirc.

But yea, adjusting the position of the headphones helps, but it's just weird...

Probably an ear shape thing then. Speakers are also fine i guess?

You purchased a Bee?! Did you not see the sbaf impressions thread? Was it @ChaChaRealSmooth ’s impressions that convinced you to buy? That guy!

Do Bee and Hive have the same pad dimensions? They look like Brainwavz which I believe are 100mm in diameter.
https://www.amazon.com/BRAINWAVZ-Round-Replacement-Memory-Earpads/dp/B072PPPWBF
There are a lot of pad options at 100mm but I dont believe any of them can fix Bee. Only equalizer.

@Philimon I liked Hive a lot and I was lazy reading at that time. The "dark old Audeze sound" description, I thought it was like LCD 2.2 pre-fazor sound, which is great, but actually, nope!

The Pads dimension looks the same on both models, but getting Brainwavz to China is quite... not worthy for me. Yea... fixing Bee can be rough...

Happy new year! Going out with my mom tomorrow to a pan-Asian food festival. But too broke to give her a nice, fat red envelope full of stax.

@caute Come on, spending quality time together is the best!!

I currently kinda happy with ZMF perforated pads (don't know which model, and they might even not be from ZMF, just something similar...)